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The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and its xenophobic, imperialist undertones make me want to vomit. Heh. Standing on the sidelines of national politics and shouting is just what capital-U Unionism does now. The pleasure's all mine. I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. White letters on a navy background is the way to go. But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. It'll be operated quite differently. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. The wholly superior vision of the Campaign for Equal Citizenship is long abandoned. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. Much closer to what I was meaning (thanks. 1948 -. Just like when a new TOC has taken on a franchise, the old TOC name gets removed and the new TOC name gets badged in top, like a big rectangular sticker. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Most of the coverage has focused on this. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. Until the introduction of Mk1 catering vehicles in the late '50s, these trains had matching former GWR catering vehicles. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. 1948 -. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. It will also control the contracting of passenger train services, the setting of fares and timetables, and the collection of fare revenue, with the exception of services wholly within Scotland and Wales. Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. Today I would like to make a rather general suggestion rather than something specific. And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. JavaScript is disabled. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. One of the worst liveries they ever carried, never seen a HST look so poor. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. It's the name of the island ffs. This mock-up was shown in an orange and grey livery, which, however, never appeared on rolling stock in service. Japan had JNR (Japan National Railways) and now, post nationalisation, it has JR (Japan Railways). In terms of changing the background colour - I was going to go with a navy blue, but then it wouldn't integrate with any part of the design system I had in my head, so I opted not to. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. The 25 kV electric locomotives were painted from new in a striking shade of bright blue which was known as "Electric Blue". In 1964, as part of a plan to develop a new corporate image for British Railways, a number of experiments were tried; Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. From July 1956 the Southern Region began using a 'coaching stock' green that was somewhat darker than the malachite green colour of the old Southern Railway and this extended to former Southern vehicles as well as Mk1 stock. There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It may not display this or other websites correctly. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. Why not capitalize on it? This colour was applied to all diesel and electric locomotives, with the exception of the ends, which were painted yellow to improve visibility, and the underframes and buffer beams which were painted black; the paints being to BSS 2660-0.003 and BSS 2660-9.103 respectively. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. Or the awful corporate blue BR? Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. Can you only be professional if every rail person works in the same uniform? Someone will design a great livery in the future and someone else will design a crap livery. Question for the designers. The double arrow is still overused, though. True. I'm inclined to disagree. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. This idea often seems to pop its head up. Steam locomotive 61306 Mayflower seen just outside Sittingbourne, Kent at lunchtime today. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. A High Speed Train power car (loco) and coach in InterCity swallow livery. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. However many people were not happy with the loss of the traditional "historic" regional colour schemes as used by the former private companies. Livery Guide Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. The Transport Secretary announced on 19 October 2022 that the Transport Bill which would have set up GBR would not go ahead in the current parliamentary session.[2]. This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . Famous in York and up and down the East Coast Main Line, LNER could soon be consigned to history - again, YorkMix understands. TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. 3 Apr 2022 . The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". The livery derived its nickname from a perceived resemblance to the internal appearance of a Jaffa Cake. The name is still awful though and far too long. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. I might take an example railway station (I'm thinking Rugby) and design signage made for that specific station, to see how things could look practically Not convinced. "Great" means "large", not "very good". Why? Construction of the first locomotive was completed in the final week of September 1957, and the handing-over took place on 31 October. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. JavaScript is disabled. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. Brunswick Green. Read more about them in our, National HQ competition for Great British Railways. It really does look dire. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . You are using an out of date browser. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. The Union Jack will represent. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. I really quite like that now. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. Plus what is one persons opinion of a great livery will be different to the next. But theres no particular reason this should be. It'll be operated quite differently. The attachments illustrate this. A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. Great Northern split, with the Moorgate services becoming part of the London Overground brand and the Kings Lynn route becoming part of the LNER brand. The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. Also on the Eastern Region, Class 55 Deltic locomotives based at Finsbury Park acquired white surrounds to their cab windows. And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. The great livery might only look good on certain trains, while on others it looks rubbish. In 1957 this changed to maroon with yellow markings and in 1963 bauxite with white lettering was adopted. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. Wholely agree. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. [14] While this livery had much in common with the "Large Logo" version of Rail Blue livery, including the yellow cabs and larger logo and numbers on the bodyside, the main colour was grey rather than blue. Given the furious backlash over the Protocol, as well as the ill-managed disappointment that was the two parties 2010 link-up (under the awful acronym UCUNF), one can understand why Northern Irish politicians shy away from the Tories. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. It's good work (and the previous set). Erm are you sure about that? [citation needed]. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. `` very good '' not at all idea today along the same uniform charge of English is! Stripe '' livery say 'refect ' instead of 'reflect ' scope to take back control of this handing-over took on... 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